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Posted by: Rooinek (13845 posts)

Oct 30, 2023, 15:50

Before the RWC started I said words to the effect that I consider Rassie to be a crybaby, a bungling fool with a big ego and lacking the courage or ambition to play attacking and exciting rugby.

During the RWC I said that Rassie made some incredibly stupid and shortsighted decisions and I complained bitterly about the mindless kick-and-hope game plan.

Now it's after the World Cup is over and we have defended our title successfully and become the first team to win 4 titles.

I still find it hard to forgive Rassie for his embarrassing crybaby behaviour during the British Lions tour, I still think he lacks the courage or ambition to play attacking and exciting running rugby. I do believe he had the biggest and best pool of talent to choose from and nearly botched it and I still dislike his insatiable need to control everything . . . but (and this is a big "but") . . . I also said before the tournament started that if he won it, I would call him a rugby genius and that is what inspires this post.

I don't like Rassie. For me he has a big ego, he whines a lot, he uses a lot of foul language, he's abrasive and he generally behaves like a caricature of the arrogant dutchman . . . but he is a genius.

Rassie has two very good positive attributes. I've spoken about Rassie's skills as a motivator before but I don't believe that's "genius", it's more to do with the fact that he was a Springbok himself and a very good one at that so he commands respect from the players in his squad.

Rassie's genius is his ability to execute. We all have great plans and ideas but how often do we execute them? Rassie executes. He is the Elon Musk of rugby. That is Rassie's genius and don't forget, a poor plan is still better than no plan at all.

Well done Bokke! Well done Rassie Erasmus!

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Posted by: Saffolk (26283 posts)

Oct 30, 2023, 16:10

Well said Rooi - respect

I have heard so many players and coaches who have been involved with Rassie say he is a rugby genius.

Quite a few of those are Irish players and assistant coaches at Munster - one being Simon Zebo

Laurie Mains coached Rassie in SA and he said that as a player Rassie bought a video machine that recorded from one slot to the other and he would analyse teams and present it to Mains at training sessions

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Posted by: Beeno1 (38833 posts)

Oct 30, 2023, 16:35

Yes many people have said Rassie is a rugby genius

I think we had a good group of players with few world class players. Yes we had Etzebdth and Marx. But Marx played no part.

Think about it who are our world vlass players. Players who would come into a reckoning in picking a World match 23.

I would adding Kolbe and Faf, Du Toit. RG is not there yet. Kitshof not at his very best. Malherbe well maybe nobody shoved him around. Nyankane and Koch are good players but not world class.

Ox got neutralized on Saturday. Is he a great?

Mostert is not World class. Kleyn is average. Neither is Kolisi. Duane still playing well for his age but world class.

Etc etc. Run through our team yourself.

So we have a few stars and a lot of good players The game plan suited them and they executed. We played so what we know and to our strengths. The will to win was enormous.

I am extremely happy Rassie had the courage to call out that Crooked ref in the Lions test and highlight their disrespect for Kolisi. Lesser coaches wouldn't have dared.

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Posted by: Mozart (42373 posts)

Oct 30, 2023, 21:28

Some honesty would be nice..this from 2 days before the final, by the same poster who started this thread:

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Posted by: Deus Ex Lemur (2348 posts)

Oct 30, 2023, 21:54

Mrs Searle isn't the most vigorous power tool in a granny's top drawer.

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Posted by: Mozart (42373 posts)

Oct 30, 2023, 22:17

He’s not the first attention seeker to belatedly try to join the winning team, just the most obvious,

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Posted by: Saffolk (26283 posts)

Oct 30, 2023, 22:36

Rassie the genius

By far the best coach the Boks have ever had and that’s a fact backed by stats

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Posted by: Mozart (42373 posts)

Oct 30, 2023, 22:53

I’ll quote you, stats don’t tell the whole story….unless of course you are referring to meters gained.

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Posted by: Saffolk (26283 posts)

Oct 30, 2023, 23:12

True they don’t tell the whole story - there is so so much more to Rassie the coach

His record is amazing - that is measurable

His astute analytical rugby brain, his amazing relationship with his players and the love and respect they have for him are less measurable

What a coach he has been - I said we would win this WC as Rassie needed a new challenge after his bans that coincided with our slip in the rankings. That’s how much I rate Rassie - the guy is literally a rugby genius - how he instilled that resolve and belief in a side despite losing key players like Pollard, Am, Marx and Lood is simply awe inspiring

The fact that you can’t bring yourself to acknowledge that Moz disappoints me. I seriously thought you were made of sterner stuff.

Rassie’s achievement is amazing, if you can’t acknowledge that it devalues you my friend

I expect that sh*t from Doos but not you

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Posted by: Mozart (42373 posts)

Oct 30, 2023, 23:32

Dave sorry, I enjoy backline play…this kick and defend stuff doesn’t rock my boat even if we win the WC 5 times in a row.

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Posted by: Saffolk (26283 posts)

Oct 30, 2023, 23:40

Did we see backline play from Scotland, England, France, Ireland and NZ in these knock out games - no we did not

These sides all kicked the ball just as much as we do

We saw plenty of tries scored by the Boks against NZ in that warm up game - that was not knock out rugby

There is very little backline play of old that we see when the top 6 sides meet each other - especially in a WC where it’s pissing with rain most of the time

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Posted by: Mozart (42373 posts)

Oct 31, 2023, 00:10

England certainly did and Scotland weren’t in the playoffs. France and Ireland tried to play an all court game. Admittedly the French lost effectiveness as the match wore on….but they still outgained us by 100 meters, by 13 clean breaks to 6, by 43 defenders beaten to 12, by 13 offloads to 2.

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Posted by: Deus Ex Lemur (2348 posts)

Oct 31, 2023, 06:08

You say kick and defend, but the defend part was barely present! Turnstyle. If we played like this in most past WCs we'd have lost every game.

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Posted by: Rooinek (13845 posts)

Oct 31, 2023, 07:05

"Some honesty would be nice"

I see, so admitting that Rassie proved me wrong is being dishonest?

Hmmmm . . . okay then. That would explain why you are incapable of ever admitting you were wrong about anything and why you're still squealing like a blubbering crybaby about the naughty red card and droning on about how useless Pieter-Steph du Toit is.

It's because you're honest . . . and anyone who ever admits he was wrong about something is dishonest . . . right?

LMAO!

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Posted by: Beeno1 (38833 posts)

Oct 31, 2023, 07:32

The guy who Aladmits he is wrong is dishinest but the guy who got it wrong and refuses to admit it is honest. The upside down world of mozzz.

Honestly what has happened to this guy. His has completely gone off the rails since the Plandemic was launched.

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Posted by: blobbok (5962 posts)

Oct 31, 2023, 07:52

Come '24 ................ dunno if I'll be that keen for more of the same, kicking away 75% , bomb squads & kragtigheid, feeding off errors & pressure from our outstanding defence, running & passing a forgotten pleasure.

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Posted by: Saffolk (26283 posts)

Oct 31, 2023, 09:50

Danty and Fickou hardly saw the ball against us so this notion that they ran it is wrong

Penaud their wing is a massive threat he hardly touched the ball all game

Same against Ireland - we saw one break from Aki, nothing from Ringrose, Hansen and Lowe down the line. We saw Lowe doing plenty of good work defensively

In the final the same applied to Ione, Jordan and Beauden Barrett - they hardly saw the ball. Everytime Jordie had it, PSDT smashed him. Talea had it more as he went looking for it amongst the forwards - he never received it down the line

This is the reality of WC knock out rugby

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Posted by: Mozart (42373 posts)

Oct 31, 2023, 13:47

No Peeper I’m saying that wrapping yourself in a Rassie blanket and omitting your telling phrase : ‘like I said earlier, if we win this RWC it'll be despite Rassie, not because of him’…….posted 2 days before the final…..is blatantly dishonest.

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Oct 31, 2023, 14:32

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Posted by: clevermike (52269 posts)

Oct 31, 2023, 14:37

Dave sorry, I enjoy backline play…this kick and defend stuff doesn’t rock my boat even if we win the WC 5 times in a row

This from the idiot who a few years ago claimed that 10 man rugby is the traditional Springbok Rugby and that 90% of a flyhalf functions entail kicking of balls. That was when he was defending Morne Steyn totally destroying backline play by the Springhboks. Another day - another story and the story remaine the same - from 2018.

He was horrified by the appointment and made false statements about Erasmus/s coaching career and BS stories about he Springboks being unable to play backline rugby and yet scored more tries in WC series that his 4 predecessors combined..

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Posted by: DbDraad (21525 posts)

Oct 31, 2023, 16:01

We won 2 RWCs in a row, the last on probably the toughest road to a final ever...yes, there's room for improvement, but belittling this massive achievement is the stupidest thing imaginable...FFS, take a step back and zoom out a bit...live a little and get out of the bitter cesspit.

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Posted by: Mozart (42373 posts)

Oct 31, 2023, 16:05

No dark cesspit….just the light of an honest assessment…..there is also this:

‘Barnes is a man of great honour, so much so that he even apologised to Savea for wrongly penalising him at a ruck once he caught a replay on the big screen.

Good on him, but that makes it super awkward when the penalty still stands and Handre Pollard duly kicks the three points.’

….

Can you imagine the ‘we was robbed’ howls that would have exploded on here were we on the other side of the ref decisions.

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Posted by: Rooinek (13845 posts)

Oct 31, 2023, 16:20

Moffie, I know you have a lot of egg on your face, but if you could miraculously grow a pair of balls and if you bothered to read what other people say before going off on one of your pompous and childish tirades, you'd see the bit where I said this . . .

". . .but (and this is a big "but") . . . I also said before the tournament started that if he won it, I would call him a rugby genius and that is what inspires this post."

Looks like it wasn't a big enough "but" for your feeble little brain to grasp.

I'm just saying what I promised to say if Rassie won. You only need to be reasonably intelligent to know my opinions of Rassie before and during the tournament. I'm not denying I doubted him.

But Rassie did win it . . . sorry, I know that makes you a bit dispirited and I also know we didn't win it on your . . . ummm . . . . handicap system . . . but Rassie did win us the RWC and my post is me acknowledging that and fulfilling my promise to call him a genius if he won it. He proved us doubters wrong. I can admit that. You find that dishonest. You'd rather carry on bashing Rassie as if nothing even happened just because New Zealand got a red card which you think is worth 10 points.

You'd rather cling to that pathetic little excuse and make a complete and utter fool of yourself than actually admit you got it wrong.

And then, to top it all you call me dishonest.

LMAO!

What a self-important little weakling you are, Moffie.

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Posted by: DbDraad (21525 posts)

Oct 31, 2023, 16:20

Moz, now you're grasping at straws, honesty my arse...he gave them a try off a knock on and allmost gave the first off a KO too...reluctantly reversed it on TMO's recommendation...it was a close game...we relaxed after the red...the red was the turning point that got them back in the game...bizarre as that sound, we were all over them in the first 30 and I thought we were going to see a repeat of the Twickers game...good on them for fighting themselves back into the match and running us close, but please stop making out as if the ref was poor in our favor or that we didn't deserve to win...you are trying to devalue a Springbok RWC victory for the second time running...you should mabe go and talk to someone...this doesn't make sence...

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Posted by: DbDraad (21525 posts)

Oct 31, 2023, 16:22

PS, it's rugby, not golf...we don't use the stupid handicap nonsense.

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Posted by: Deus Ex Lemur (2348 posts)

Oct 31, 2023, 16:36

Can you imagine the ‘we was robbed’ howls that would have exploded on here were we on the other side of the refdecisions.

We hear howls even as the Boks have benefitted immensely over the past three years.

we relaxed after the red...the red was the turning point that got them back in the game..

The Boks didn't relax. They were simply dominated for pretty much 80 minutes. They were ripping into is from the start! I don't know what game you think you were watching.

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Posted by: DbDraad (21525 posts)

Oct 31, 2023, 16:54

nonsense! It was all Bokke for the first 30m....we had 56% territory with only 37% of the possession...we gave the ball back to them and pinned them in their half...and then we defended the small lead.

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Posted by: sharkbok (17945 posts)

Oct 31, 2023, 17:24

The rolling maul from a lineout has always been the best-attacking platform for the Springboks.

It often results in a try or a kickable penalty.

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Posted by: DbDraad (21525 posts)

Oct 31, 2023, 17:30

LOLO!!!!....Moz cruising Kiwi ref bashing sites to get dirt on the Bokke...priceless.!

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Posted by: DbDraad (21525 posts)

Oct 31, 2023, 18:18

"He wasn't apologising. He just says sorry Ardie, I didn't see the replay.. and I didn't see a clear release. Not sure why people think it's an apology."

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Posted by: Saffolk (26283 posts)

Oct 31, 2023, 18:35

We have a brilliant team guided by a rugby genius

You can either accept that or continue to embarrass yourself and make your name utter mud

Fact is from now on there is no counter to the fact that this side with its amazing coaching staff have achieved what no other side has ever achieved

Their record when it comes to winning when it counts is unrivalled.

Rassie is a rugby genius, he is ahead of the game, thinks outside the box. Is a master at instilling that belief and resolve to dig deep and win when it counts.

He is the best coach we have ever had and everything he does is for the love of his team. The love and team spirit in that squad is infectious. It’s beautiful and perfectly encapsulated in Siya, our fantastic captain

What a team, what a coach

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Posted by: DbDraad (21525 posts)

Oct 31, 2023, 18:36

"Jordie Barrett and Richie Mo’unga both had kicks at goal, which could have won the game for the All Blacks. New Zealand lost lineout ball twice in attacking territory in the first half. They finished the game with 19 turnovers conceded, which is the most they have conceded in any match in 2023. Against Ireland, it was only three!

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Oct 31, 2023, 19:25

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Posted by: Deus Ex Lemur (2348 posts)

Oct 31, 2023, 19:52

A rugby genius? What exactly did he do to better the team? There is no evidence of good coaching. The tactics were flawed, selections were poor, and the team had to survive in spite of it. It took a few lucky breaks here and there. A few stubborn individuals, just like last time, the less fancied players. Yes, a few months ago, only an effing idiot would choose Ox over Kits, the most dominant scumming loosehead of all time. How'd that work out for you? Likewise Malherbe. Saddex, you wouldn't know a rugby fact if it was tattooed onto your forehead.

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Posted by: Saffolk (26283 posts)

Oct 31, 2023, 20:38

Doos you are embarrassing yourself again

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Posted by: Deus Ex Lemur (2348 posts)

Oct 31, 2023, 21:21

Don't worry Saddex, the first thirty years of childhood are the hardest. You'll get there son.

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Posted by: Mozart (42373 posts)

Oct 31, 2023, 21:24

So the net of this was we had a 10 point handicap because of the red card debacle….and we got three extra points for a penalty that should not have been given. Thirteen points.

As for the genius. Nothing we did was genius or innovative it was kick and defend. And not having a bench hooker, scrum half, flyhalf or kicker was imprudent to say the least.

The players individually have my respect, but our tactics were basic. All you can possibly say for the genius is they were motivated and the basic disciplines were sound.

But all that separated us from the other 3 playoff teams we beat was Pollard’s superior kicking and that had nothing to do with the genius. In fact if Marx hadn’t got hurt the genius wouldn’t have had his services.

So spare me the BS.

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Posted by: Saffolk (26283 posts)

Oct 31, 2023, 21:32

Moz you are embarrassing yourself in a big way

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Posted by: Mozart (42373 posts)

Oct 31, 2023, 21:35

Really ….I have heard a lot of moaning about my take on the final, but not one rebuttal that holds up. But I’ll give you a chance, tell us what about our win required ‘genius’. Be specific.

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Posted by: Saffolk (26283 posts)

Oct 31, 2023, 21:52

The genius is not defined by a single game but the whole journey starting in 2018.

Everything Rassie has done has reaped the rewards - rewards that are better than any other Bok coach ever

Therein lies the genius

There have been plenty of rebuttals to your take on the final - I have given you many

Your take on the card and 10 points is nonsense given the fact we lost our only specialist hooker after 2 min effectively negating any chance of us taking advantage of the numerical advantage we had for 40 min.

Cane’s was a red - head contact first. Kolisi’s was a yellow, head contact was secondary.

We can bang on about the if’s and but’s - the NZ try awarded was thanks to a forward pass. We physically dominated the AB’s in the collisions and that ultimately won us the game, despite having no real hooker to enforce the set piece advantage they should have had

You trying to devalue our brilliant win is pretty f*cking sad but we see through the reason - you hate Rassie and can’t bear the fact that he has proven you so so wrong

We all know how great that victory was especially considering the teams they had to overcome to get there. So anything you say is seriously just embarrassing yourself

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Posted by: Deus Ex Lemur (2348 posts)

Oct 31, 2023, 22:02

Erasmus has not been able to develop any aspect of the team in any way. It's the worst ever performing WC team in Bok history irrespective of the final win. All facets have regressed markedly. In the era with the least quality, the Boks are still mediocre. The coach is an oaf and a proven millstone around the neck of the team.

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Posted by: Saffolk (26283 posts)

Oct 31, 2023, 22:09

The f*cking fly is still in the room

Pass the doom please

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Posted by: Mozart (42373 posts)

Oct 31, 2023, 22:41

So no genius…nothing that was clever, in fact a lot of things that were stupid like the bench. To the extent that the lack of a hooker hurt us….that’s not an externality, that is directly as a result of decisions made by Erasmus. Witness your string calling on him to bring over a hooker.

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Posted by: Saffolk (26283 posts)

Oct 31, 2023, 23:18

Moz Rassie is not perfect but whatever he does gets results - therein lies his genius

We are not privy to his inner workings but whatever they are oh boy do they work

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Posted by: Beeno1 (38833 posts)

Nov 01, 2023, 08:37

I wonder if any Ab supporter, any Oz supporter or any England supporter have ever been as sad about their country winning the World Cup as these two hapless fake Bok supporters.

I was sent some clips showing Bok fans greeting our Bok heroes at the airport.

The contrast between these fans and fake Bok supporters Mozzz and Doos couldn't be greater.

The Boks losing the final was in their minds the last hope of redemption for the two loons!

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Posted by: Rooinek (13845 posts)

Nov 01, 2023, 08:43

Shame man, our two Bok-bashers are feeling very dispirited now . . . and it didn't help their cause that the player they've slagged off relentlessly for about 8 years had a monstrous game and was named man of the match.

Let's try be kind to these two egg-faced losers, it can't be easy being in their shoes right now.

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Posted by: Mozart (42373 posts)

Nov 01, 2023, 13:40

‘all stupid shortsighted decisions made by an egotistical fool trying to prove he's some kind of genius.’

Hahahaha!

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Posted by: Rooinek (13845 posts)

Nov 01, 2023, 14:36

Once again, you childish little fop, I don't deny saying any of those things. Anyone who reads my posts will know that I wasn't a Rassie fan but I'm at least man enough to admit I got it wrong.

You just carry on quoting all the things I said while pretending what you said was perfectly correct. That's how you roll.

LMAO!

PS Still feeling so dispirited? Wehe . . . I'm not!

Bokke!!! See you tomorrow!

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Posted by: Mozart (42373 posts)

Nov 01, 2023, 14:58

No I recognize that Erasmus made lots of mistakes….and we won ‘in spite of him’. You just wanted to be popular, so you went from one extreme to the other….begging for approval.

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Posted by: Rooinek (13845 posts)

Nov 01, 2023, 15:07

Yes, I'm well known on this board for being someone who begs for approval and tries to be popular.

LMAO!

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Posted by: Mozart (42373 posts)

Nov 01, 2023, 15:24

The weaknesses of an old man….the groveling for approval is pathetic….try to maintain some dignity would you?

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Nov 01, 2023, 19:34

If I am correct, Mrs Searle likes to play the role of the abused sub in dominant role play. The Urinal Mint, the object of use and shame; it's dirty. The cry isn't for attention, but for seeking out this sexual adventure. Observe the naked granny, the little pepper (innuendo). Quite the damaged and fragile little creature.